WRONGLY PLACED SHADED ZONES

• by yshish moderator, translator

  Please, share the id numbers (addresses) of all the images with wrongly placed shaded zones (=not in the background but in the foreground or on the sides of the site) here. Thanks!

  Posted May 5, 2015 8:54 PM

• by richperrin

  APZ0004dk6

  Posted May 5, 2015 10:34 PM

• by helere

  Image APZ00049lj

  Posted May 6, 2015 3:06 AM

• by mkmcguir

  Image APZ0004eg9

  Posted May 6, 2015 4:04 AM

• by craftymonster

  I will update this post as I find more.

  Images with animals

  APZ00048e4
  APZ00048fj
  APZ00048ig
  APZ00048ix
  APZ00048j8
  APZ00048jw
  APZ00048k2
  APZ00048l6
  APZ00048mn
  APZ00048p2
  APZ00048s5
  APZ00048rj
  APZ00048vg
  APZ00048wp
  APZ00048x7
  APZ00048zq
  APZ00048zx

  APZ000491f
  APZ000491i
  APZ0004920
  APZ0004926
  APZ000492h
  APZ000493g
  APZ000494u
  APZ000496n
  APZ000497j
  APZ000497v

  APZ00049bh
  APZ00049cp
  APZ00049ey
  APZ00049fd
  APZ00049gu
  APZ00049jh
  APZ00049ki
  APZ00049k5
  APZ00049kn
  APZ00049ku
  APZ00049lb
  APZ00049lv
  APZ00049ma
  APZ00049mx
  APZ00049nr
  APZ00049nw
  APZ00049o3
  APZ00049p8
  APZ00049pi
  APZ00049r0
  APZ00049rl
  APZ00049rr
  APZ00049qf
  APZ00049qi
  APZ00049u7
  APZ00049ug
  APZ00049uy
  APZ00049w5
  APZ00049xn
  APZ00049xv

  APZ0004a1u
  APZ0004a25
  APZ0004a2k
  APZ0004a35
  APZ0004a3p
  APZ0004a5e
  APZ0004a66
  APZ0004a6h
  APZ0004ab6
  APZ0004ac7
  APZ0004ac9
  APZ0004acp
  APZ0004af0
  APZ0004agb
  APZ0004aj6
  APZ0004ajv
  APZ0004aux
  APZ0004aym
  APZ0004b45
  APZ0004cok
  APZ0004cpk

  APZ0004d2d
  APZ0004d3p
  APZ0004dd4
  APZ0004ddn
  APZ0004dds
  APZ0004df6
  APZ0004dfa
  APZ0004dfe
  APZ0004djo
  APZ0004dk7
  APZ0004dl9
  APZ0004dmf
  APZ0004dnn
  APZ0004dod
  APZ0004dmr
  APZ0004dms
  APZ0004dnq
  APZ0004dyr
  APZ0004dzr

  APZ0004e14
  APZ0004e1h
  APZ0004e5j
  APZ0004e67
  APZ0004e6m
  APZ0004e6r
  APZ0004e6s
  APZ0004e6z
  APZ0004e7z
  APZ0004e84
  APZ0004e8s
  APZ0004e99
  APZ0004e9c
  APZ0004eaf
  APZ0004ebi
  APZ0004ec2
  APZ0004egz
  APZ0004ejw
  APZ0004ela
  APZ0004erd

  Images with no animals

  APZ000496v
  APZ00049g3
  APZ00049ge
  APZ00049k4
  APZ00049jv
  APZ00049xk

  APZ0004a2j
  APZ0004a2y
  APZ0004a33
  APZ0004aab
  APZ0004aj4
  APZ0004ajj
  APZ0004avi
  APZ0004azj
  APZ0004b4x
  APZ0004bgb
  APZ0004coi
  APZ0004cp4
  APZ0004cyq

  APZ0004d02
  APZ0004d1p
  APZ0004d3r
  APZ0004d4u
  APZ0004d4z
  APZ0004d7i
  APZ0004d7o
  APZ0004d7r
  APZ0004d8n
  APZ0004d8y
  APZ0004d9x
  APZ0004db4
  APZ0004dbk
  APZ0004dbs
  APZ0004dcc
  APZ0004dlq
  APZ0004dje
  APZ0004dmd
  APZ0004dn9
  APZ0004dng
  APZ0004dnl
  APZ0004dqo
  APZ0004dwl
  APZ0004dyb
  APZ0004dzr

  APZ0004e1x
  APZ0004e49
  APZ0004e4y
  APZ0004e5i
  APZ0004ef9

  Posted May 6, 2015 4:12 AM

• by mkmcguir

  Image APZ00049tp

  Posted May 6, 2015 4:12 AM

• by mkmcguir

  Image APZ00048z1... the ones i have seen are all from this site.

  Posted May 6, 2015 4:17 AM

• by DZM admin

  Okay, this is clearly an issue. @yshish -- have you told anyone about this yet?

  Posted May 6, 2015 6:04 AM

• by CandyDawn translator

  Image APZ00048xk

  Posted May 6, 2015 9:06 AM

• by yshish moderator, translator in response to DZM's comment.

  Yes, I had a Hangouts call with Tom and Caitlin yesterday and I asked them about this problem. Actually, I've reported it a few months ago already. Then there were some reports about impossibility to mark penguins on the right side (you maybe remember such ones) and the devs weren't able to reproduce that.. So I came with the idea it could be caused by wrongly placed shaded zone.. But someone then told me the shaded zone wasn't wrong at the same image where the report appeared... So I thought that it is another issue.. And haven't see any wrongly placed shaded zones by myself since that until this month. After releasing the new data some questions about shaded zone in the foreground appeared again and I had clsassified such images too - I think that most of them were from the same site as I remember from the old data set.

  I asked Tom whether it has a purpose or not. Tom was surprised and asked me to collect such number since it is a serious problem which has to be fixed!

  Posted May 6, 2015 2:54 PM

• by yshish moderator, translator in response to DZM's comment.

  BTW, all the images which have been mentioned here so far seem to be from the same site - telling by the IDs.

  Posted May 6, 2015 2:57 PM

• by k.h.pot

  Images APZ0004cok, APZ00049zi, APZ0004a11, APZ0004a32 APZ00049fo, APZ0004a2g, APZ0004ea0 have foreground and side greyed out, missing some penguins.

  Posted May 6, 2015 3:37 PM

• by AvastMH moderator

  Can confirm that's the only site that I've noticed this problem on. It appeared about the 28/29 April. I didn't realize it was a mistake - though it seemed a bit odd.

  Posted May 6, 2015 5:12 PM

• by yshish moderator, translator in response to AvastMH's comment.

  It definitely isn't a new issue! I'll try to find the oldest report tonight.. Give an hour:)

  Posted May 6, 2015 7:03 PM

• by Dale_Jacobsen

  how do I find the image number?

  Posted May 7, 2015 2:23 AM

• by mkmcguir

  when you click to talk about a picture, it is above it in blue 😃

  Posted May 7, 2015 2:55 AM

• by helere

  APZ0004b21

  Posted May 7, 2015 5:16 AM

• by helere

  APZ0004946

  Posted May 7, 2015 5:37 AM

• by CandyDawn translator

  Image APZ0004e09

  Posted May 7, 2015 12:18 PM

• by CandyDawn translator

  Image APZ00048ln

  Posted May 7, 2015 12:39 PM

• by CandyDawn translator

  Image APZ00049me

  Posted May 7, 2015 12:54 PM

• by CandyDawn translator

  Image APZ0004dz9

  Posted May 7, 2015 1:13 PM

• by CandyDawn translator

  Image APZ00049g6

  Posted May 7, 2015 4:03 PM

• by CandyDawn translator

  Image APZ0004co4

  Posted May 7, 2015 4:05 PM

• by caitlin.black moderator, scientist, admin

  Hi CandyDawn,
  Thanks for drawing our attention to this issue. All of the images are from the same site- Booth Island. It seems that the regions of interest (where the images should be annotated) are skewed. We are working to fix this now. Thanks! Caitlin

  Posted May 7, 2015 4:26 PM

• by yshish moderator, translator in response to caitlin.black's comment.

  @Caitlin.black , do you want us to keep posting ID numbers for wrongly placed shaded zones? Do you want them all or just from different sites than Booth Isl. ones?

  Posted May 7, 2015 6:00 PM

• by helere

  APZ0004aif

  Posted May 8, 2015 2:56 AM

• by craftymonster

  It looks like this has been resolved. I just classified APZ000490t, APZ00049nd and APZ00049tu from Booth Island. They were all grey-zone free. If I come across any other wonky grey zones, I will amend my post (the one on the first page of this thread).

  Posted May 8, 2015 6:23 AM

• by DZM admin in response to craftymonster's comment.

  I'm seeing that someone reported a fix in GitHub, so, yep!

  Let me know if anything like this starts happening again! 😃

  Posted May 8, 2015 4:59 PM

• by yshish moderator, translator in response to DZM's comment.

  Awesome! 😃 We will do.

  Posted May 8, 2015 5:26 PM

• by AvastMH moderator

  Sadly - it's back all too soon 😦 20.24 BST this evening....

  http://talk.penguinwatch.org/#/subjects/APZ0004e5s

  Posted May 8, 2015 8:26 PM

• by mkmcguir

  Image APZ00049k2 I just got this one.

  Posted May 9, 2015 1:45 AM

• by mkmcguir

  Image APZ0004ahp

  Posted May 9, 2015 2:14 AM

• by richperrin

  Image APZ00048h2 penguins present in shaded foreground.
  Image APZ00049ei shaded foreground stopped 5 penguins being counted.

  Posted May 9, 2015 4:17 PM

• by helere

  APZ00048i1

  Posted May 10, 2015 5:03 AM

• by craftymonster in response to richperrin's comment.

  This is so very odd and confusing. I just classified APZ00048h2, there was no shaded area. I've done tons of images from Booth during the past 2 days, all were unshaded.

  Posted May 10, 2015 6:50 AM

• by richperrin

  Image APZ00048xv, shaded foreground 3 penguins could not be counted.
  Image APZ00049jo, shaded foreground 2 uncounted.
  Image APZ00049gh, shaded foreground, 1 uncounted.

  Posted May 10, 2015 10:54 AM

• by gardenmaeve moderator

  http://talk.penguinwatch.org/#/subjects/APZ00049gh was just noted to have a shaded foreground still.

  Posted May 10, 2015 11:56 AM

• by yshish moderator, translator

  Thank you guys for all your reports!! We do know about the wrongly places shaded zone in this site. It looks like the developers are currently waiting for a confirmation from the scientists to make some changes..

  I think you don't have to report this site anymore.. unless they let us know it should have been fixed. But please, report any other site if there is a wrongly placed shaded zone too!

  Thanks 😃

  Posted May 10, 2015 11:59 AM

• by Gertarud

  APZ0008qi3 Shaded on the right side of the picture

  Posted August 14, 2015 2:56 PM

• by yshish moderator, translator in response to Gertarud's comment.

  Hi @Gertarud

  Thanks for your effort to help us. The image you link is obscured by something in front of the lens, which is not the shaded zone we're talking about in this thread. It would be visible in the classification mode only, not in the Talk and it wouldn't let you place any mark in that zone. Have you seen something like that while classifying that picture?

  Thanks!

  Zuzi

  P.S.: I'll try to find any image example of the real shaded zone to make this clearer.

  Posted August 14, 2015 5:08 PM

• by yshish moderator, translator

  @Gertarud ,please, read my reply to your post above (posted 4 days ago) and reply to it. I'm afraid you have misunderstood the problem.

  Thank you.

  Posted August 18, 2015 10:24 AM

• by Gertarud in response to yshish's comment.

  @yshish, ok, thanks for clarifying. I look forward to your picture of a shaded zone, and will ignore future blurry images until them.

  Posted August 18, 2015 12:06 PM

• by yshish moderator, translator in response to Gertarud's comment.

  Here they are:

  An image where the shaded zone is displayed correctly - top/background part only:

  
  

  xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

  Compare them with this image where the shaded zone is displayed incorrectly - bottom and right side/foreground:

  

  Hope it is clear now. Thanks for your effort to help. We appreciate it!

  Z.

  Posted August 18, 2015 3:54 PM

• by gardenmaeve moderator

  That's very helpful, yshish. Thank you.

  Posted August 18, 2015 8:05 PM

• by Gertarud in response to yshish's comment.

  Thanks, this helps indeed!

  Posted August 19, 2015 8:31 AM

• by yshish moderator, translator

  Hi @lasena

  Thanks for your intends to help, actually, the images you linked seem to be just obscured by snow on the lens. Have you checked what is this thread about? We talk about shaded zones placed in the images by scientists to make you focus on a smaller area, usually in the foreground. I showed some image examples how they look like. Please, check them out (on the previous page of this thread) and let me know whether I am right about your misunderstanding, so we could remove them.

  Many thanks!

  Cheers, Ysh_

  Posted August 29, 2015 9:28 PM

• by lasena in response to yshish's comment.

  Hello yshish,

  at the beginning of this thread some people posted similar pictures like the ones i posted, that is why I posted the picture above here. I did not read the full thread. I understand the difference now, your examples made it clear. I'm sorry for the confusing.

  Regards,
  lasena

  Posted August 30, 2015 11:57 AM

• by yshish moderator, translator in response to lasena's comment.

  OK, thanks!

  I will remove you posts to keep this thread for the real wrongly placed shaded zones only.

  Z.

  Posted August 30, 2015 1:06 PM

• by gardenmaeve moderator

  @acanthizidae - The image you've linked is not the "wrongly placed shaded zone" discussed in this thread. It is simply snow on the lens. I've removed it to keep this issue understandable. You can learn to deal with such images in FAQs 1st AL, 3.

  Posted April 20, 2016 12:15 PM

• by gardenmaeve moderator

  @WingedChicken. Thanks for your concern, but when you can read the WRONGLY PLACED SHADED ZONES thread you'll realize it's nothing to do with normal weather-obscured images such as the one you linked. I'll remove your link so as to keep this thread for the specific, scientist-applied shading that was used for a while. Please have a look at the reply I gave you for your image. Thank you! 😃

  Posted April 23, 2016 3:03 PM